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I'm moving around, so I'm masking. I aour mobile microphone, but we have 
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hearing them all for the first timewhich also means I might not know th
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answer or I might pass it to someonin the audience, or sometimes 
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just don't know. So that's whathappens with these
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That's my job. The passing
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All right, so we can kind of startwherever you want. We can star
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with in-person. We can start with sompre-submitted. We can start with som
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currently submitted. We have anin-person 
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Looks like we have a hand right hereYou mind coming over to th
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microphone? Just so folks on the livestreacan hear. And if you have also 
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question, feel free to go up and linup. We're going to prioritize, of course
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those of you who came on a train for twand a half days to be here and then 
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think Paul will be reading some of thones that are coming in via the socia
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channels. YouTube, Twitter, etc. Swe'll have a mix of both
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Then we'll have food and drinks
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Thanks so much for the presentationVery exciting stuff. Looking forward t
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the future. My question is about OpenverseAnd I wonder if you could speak 
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little bit about the safety measurethat have been thought about or wil
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need to be thought about in terms of thcontent that is uploaded there? Wil
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EXIF data be removed from photos thaare uploaded? That's my question
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That's a great question, actually. Sfirst, I do not know if we've thought o
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EXIF before. So you actually just raisesomething really great that we shoul
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write down and look at later. I will sathat - so there's two things there
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There's Openverse, which is - think of ilike a search engine. So it's crawlin
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literally the whole web, and looking fothings that are Creative Common
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licensed and providing a directory othem. So what people publish to their ow
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websites is kind of the state oresponsibility there. But it's kind o
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like a Google but for Creative Commonlicensed content. That is separate fro
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the WordPress.org/Photos directory thawe've created, which is kind of like 
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Getty or an Unsplash or everythinbut all CC0 licensed forever an
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ever. By the way, we're not going tchange that on you like some other phot
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directories have. That goes tmoderation. If you want to submit t
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something there, you'll see that righnow, it says, "Hey" - one of the checkboxe
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it certifies, of course, one, thayou have rights to the photo. Pleas
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don't upload other people's photos to itonly your own. But, two, that it doesn'
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have any human faces or other copwritten material in the photo itself. S
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this first phase of the photo directorreally focused on things that can truly b
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CC0 all the way. Something we've albeen learning - and it's a littl
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complicated - is with humans and, like, picture of - let's say you had a pictur
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of a piece of art that might have copyright embedded. So even if the imag
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is CC0, something in it might becopywritten. And so we'r
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working on - what is an opesource, GPL, CC0 model release
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What does that look like? And that is very open set of lawyers working o
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things. But once we have it, I thinthat's actually really exciting. Mayb
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someone could license their likeness awell to be in the Openverse. Mayb
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we generate something with GPT-3
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thing that's open. Or maybe someone evesays, "Maybe while I'm alive, I don't wan
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my likeness used. But maybe on my death, bequeath my likeness to this ope
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commons that belongs to humanity.There's lots of different ways thi
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could work, kind of is fun to thinabout and imagine. But that's how that'
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working right now. We'll probably, you knowwhat makes sense is something that mayb
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shows the EXIF data you upload before igoes into the thing, at least for 
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photo directory. So you're just aware oeverything that's being put in there
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Location is actually fantastic to haveLike if I have a picture of Stoneheng
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the location where I took that picturis kind of awesome. But other metadata
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which could be contained in EXIFprobably people should just be aware of
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Right? So we'll work on getting thaadded to the photo uploader. And by th
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way, awesome question. Thank you- Thank you very much for the answer
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Strong open
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No problem. Did we cover everything you thinis important there? Anything else
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Okay, awesome. Bob, before youask your questio
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can you share how you got here
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By train, from Seattl- From Seattle
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Yeah, Seattle- That's on the other side of the country, right
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On the other side of the country, anspending about six days on the train, tw
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days here. And yeah, it's been aadventure. So I've come all this way
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Give me some Woo for 2022
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- Some mooWoo
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I want to hear what WooCommerce is goingto do in 2022 in your eyes
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Sure. So Woo, spelled W-O-O for those who don'know, is a plugin for WordPress, whic
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creates commerce functionality iWordPress. It's one of the 55,00077
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plugins that exist. But it is a verpopular one, an important one
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especially as we look at things like - yosaw Shopify coming up on that usag
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graph. WooCommerce is an open sourcShopify, and we hope that it can do t
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democratizing commerce what WordPreshas done to democratizing publishing
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In terms of what's coming for WooCommercin 2022, the thing I'm most excite
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about that's most relevant for thiaudience is, I would say, embracin
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Gutenberg and the block interfaces foeverything with Woo. So right now, Woo stil
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has some ways of doing things which armore tied to the Classic Editor, o
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shortcodes, or other ways of creatinglike, check out blocks, products
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everything like that. There are somplugins and experiments aroun
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Gutenberg and blocks. And I think that would love if Woo was one of the bes
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plugins in the world for embracing hoto use Gutenberg. And I think the team'
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been working really hard on that. It ian amazing team. That both includes 
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lot of community and a lot of the folksponsored by Automattic to work on that
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And I'd say that's what 2022 - the thinthat's most relevant for this audienc
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I'm excited about is more Gutenberg in Woo
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And we also have the CEO of WooCommerchere. Does that sound 
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Giving me a thumbs up? That sounds good?All right. Sounds good
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So more Gutenberg? That's kind ofthe answer to everything is mor
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Gutenberg. It's like cowbell. You caalways have more cowbell
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You can always have more Gutenberg
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Thank you. Well, that was worth 6000
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Cool. Alright, should we move to an onlinquestion or - wait, we got one i
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person. And then next, let's do aonline one, just to make sure we hav
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everything from those folks
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Sweet. So my question is about styles. think, you know, the theme styles and - o
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variants, I think they were calleinitially, is a very innovative idea tha
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lets people paint their sites. It'great for developers, designers, an
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everyday users. So I understand that. think, what could be interesting, and 
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wonder if you've thought about this, iperhaps there's a Style Directory lik
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we have a Pattern Directory. Is thasomething we're in the thought of
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I know that there's a couple otheconcerns, you know, we'd have to have 
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standardized way that themes are beinmade, which we're moving toward
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already. So I don't know, I think that'an interesting way to empower people t
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also give back to the Directory or intWordPress, just like patterns. Like i
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you can save a pattern, can you save a style?And then anybody can save a style
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Is that something on the docket
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I'm going to fast-forward a little bit herinto basically science fiction. But i
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you could imagine us getting a reallgreat repository of truly CC0116
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Creative Commons, zero license stuffaround images, fonts, etc. That opens u
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a lot of possibilities for creatinessentially GPL compatible styles, lik
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you talked about. If you've ever watcheor helped a friend set up WordPress, o
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watched a user test or something, one othe most hard - most heartbreaking thing
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is when someone chooses a theme baseon the image in the demo. And I learne
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this myself. So in one of the previouthemes, like Twenty Ten or Twenty Eleve
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there wasn't a lot of open source licenseimagery in the world and so I just too
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all my photos and GPL-licensed them. So onof these old themes - I think it's Twenty Te
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there's a picture from Ireland of somsheep on a road. And we would literall
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do user tests where people were like, "I like thsheep, so I chose this theme." And it'
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like, "Yes, I like the sheep too, but you caput any image in the world there. I
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doesn't just have to be a sheep theme.It's really, it's a - yeah, you know wha
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I'm talking about. Styles right now artied to themes and it's tied to theme.jso
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And so I think theme.json is - themdot J-S-O-N, which I call JSON. I don'
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know how you pronounce it, but that'how I call it - it's the number one thing. I
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you're a theme developer or interested indeveloping themes, look up that. Learn as muc
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about theme.json as possible. Sright now, it's specific to th
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theme. But over time, particularly fothings like typography, which is 
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passion of mine. Actually, my very firsopen source code I ever created
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which was a contribution to b2, thpredecessor to WordPress, was texturize
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Which was - I'd learned a ton aboutypography and I wanted all posts t
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have proper typography. So instead of prime mark in between a word lik
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that's - between the that and the s - wanted to be a proper curly quote. An
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so this first code I ever contributed topen source was texturized. I'm ver
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passionate about this. I would love fopeople to be able to see the incredibl
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transformations that can happen to site through updating the typograph
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and particularly pairings of type wheryou have might have like, a reall
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awesome serif paired with a reallawesome sans serif for the body text o
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something like that. And I think hothemes evolve a little bit - actuall
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I'm not sure entirely how themes evolve but to be honest - but it's prett
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exciting that the theme can almost be little bit like - honestly it reminds me o
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jazz. I grew up playing jazz. It's whwe name every WordPress release after 
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jazz musician. Jazz are often based osomething called standards. So like 
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good chunk of all popular jazz songs arbuilt on rhythm changes, which is a set o
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chord changes, actually from I think, musical song called "I Got Rhythm.
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[sings] I got rhythm, I got music
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Really cool chord changes there.Really awesome bridge
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And people have written lots of other songson top of that. What's coo
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is the chord changes - I think I'm little outside of my realm of expertis
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here - but the chord changes themselveare essentially open source, meanin
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anyone can use those chord changes. Nothe melody right on top of i
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might be proprietary, might belong to specific thing. But that kind o
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underlying structure is open. And so think themes become that kind o
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underlying structure. And then whapeople take on top of it - it's the chor
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changes. And then what people create otop of it could be as varied and uniqu
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as all the things written, people havwritten on top of the rhythm change
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as they're called in jaz
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which is incredible. Thousands of songscountless millions of, like, performance
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and solos. So that's my hope for whahappens with themes. And hopefully, w
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can get more - like, we don't have a ton oCC0 licensed fonts yet. So hopefully
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we can develop more and more of thacontent in the Openverse/metavers
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that is available to all WordPressusers. And the cool thin
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about Openverse, as well, is the API itotally open. So that's available to Drupa
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users, Joomla users, everyone else Wix users, Squarespace users. Anyon
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who wants to access this content, it isomething the WordPress community i
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creating for benefit to the world. So iyou contribute to that you'r
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essentially contributing to humanity'repository of cool open stuff that'
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available for anyone to use in any way. SI'm very excited about what th
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future of Openverse will be. We havthe very first - we basically just got th
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code ported over and the search enginported over, and not even the audio yet
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that's coming in January. And I cannobelieve more in the mission of that
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Thank you.- Thank you
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Cool, and you can line up behind herif you also have a question
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But come on in. What's your nameby the way
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Ali- Hi Ali
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Hi Matt. So I create a lot of contenaround WordPress for the people who ar
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looking at WordPress in front of thefor the first time looking to, you know
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build something with it having neveused it before. And I think a lot abou
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the young people who are looking aWordPress as a path to something, as 
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path to improving their life obrightening their future whatever tha
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might be. And I know that we have in thlive stream right now a lot of youn
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people watching, listening, and being inspireby this. What advice would you have t
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those young people who are looking tinherit this world that we're leavin
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them? And what advice can you givthem as far as using WordPress as a too
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to improve what we're leaving them?No pressure
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That's a cool one
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In my life, one of the most influentialthings I ever realize
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was that everything I was using, everypiece of technology, every piec
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of furniture, every chair, everythinwas created by someone who wasn't tha
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much different from me or people knew. And so there's crafts that can b
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developed when you focus on an area. Anin fact, with the internet, there's mor
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and more of this through YouTubeWikipedia, online blogs, etc. There's s
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much you can learn about pretty much anyarea that you're passionate about. And 
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think, for me, and it might be Steve Jobs orsomeone else who talks about this, bu
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just this idea that the things that I use andlove are created by peopl
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not that much different from me wasreally powerful. And that's part o
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what got me contributing to open sourcin the beginning. When I was - again, I go
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started on the forums of b2. So b2 ithe predecessor to WordPress. It had som
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forums, probably run by like phpBB osomething. And I just, at first, I wa
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asking questions and then, later, I saquestions I had already asked bein
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asked by other people. And I startedanswering them. I didn't know anything
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I couldn't - I cannot overemphasize hoignorant I was, as a 17, 18, 19 year ol
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kid in Houston, Texas, who had no formatraining, no university courses, etc. S
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I think what's exciting about thdigital economy is that, in thi
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Openverse that we're trying to creattogether, it doesn't matter who you are
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where you're from, or anything likthat. It matters what you contribute
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lot more time than you realize. And ttry to invest that time - if there'
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anyone young listening to this - in whayour passion is, you know. If yo
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feel drawn to a particular area - I waactually shocked both in my ow
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experience, and in seeing many othesuccessful folks since then, in ho
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being a world expert in XYZ - whateveXYZ is - is maybe 100 hours of work i
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some areas. Maybe 200 hours of work. Buwhen you're young, you have a lot mor
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hours than folks who maybe are providinfor the family or full-time jobs o
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other things. So really embrace thaopportunity of both school, education
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literature available to you, etc. to try tconsume and absorb as much of i
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as possible. I feel so much - one of my onlregrets as a almost 38 year old is tha
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I didn't pay as much attention when was in school. And I went to all publi
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schools in Houston. But I had somamazing teachers, like the text I wa
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given, the literature, etc. was freor inexpensive, and was reall
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passion from these teachers of somof the best things that humanity ha
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created so far. So check that out. Anthe code equivalent of that i
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WordPress in a lot of ways. Meaninthat, again, you can think of the othe
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largest Internet services in the world -Amazon, Microsoft, Facebook, etc. Yo
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can't go and look at how they work. Yocan't suggest a change to how the Googl
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homepage works or the Facebooalgorithm or anything like that. Thos
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are all proprietary. With things likWikipedia and WordPress, it's all ope
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source. Which means that you coulsuggest a change of the WP admi
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homepage, which hundreds of thousandof millions of people see and impacts 
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lot of folks. So open source for me waa huge enabler - again, not growing up i
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the Bay area or the traditional, likeSeattle or other traditiona
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centers of technology. It was reallexciting for me. So I'll start wit
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that. Hopefully, I guess folks and maybyounger folks like something to star
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with. And I saw Josepha raise her hand, smaybe you have something to add there
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- I do. I also have an additional thingCan I introduce you really quick
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she is - all of the cool things we talkeabout around like the Directories, etc
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And now this. So I think also one of thmost important things - where am 
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looking? I'm going to look at you, MattAlso, one really important thing t
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remember for people who are gettinstarted with WordPress for the firs
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time is that the open source nature oit does mean that we also have reall
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active and passive ways to learn some othe most vital 21st century skills tha
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the workforce of the future will needWe need it now. But not all of u
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actually are any good at it in the world.WordPressers are generally reall
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really good at it. And there's reason for it. It's because we do i
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every day. And so like that, in thimmediate - in my immediate advice that 
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can give to people, that is the numbeone thing. Like, observe the way tha
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this works, because it's going to brelevant from here until they're don
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Anything else in the audience? Becauswe have an unusual audience here
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I'm Michelle Frechette and I'm with Stellar WP,but I also do a whole bunc
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of other stuff in the community, whicis fun. So my question is actually off of thos
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two responses as well. We have a toof education out there, right? S
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whether it's through Learn WordPresswhether it's people on YouTube, all thes
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opportunities to learn about it. Whaare we doing to bring the nex
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generation in to help continue to growI'm watching the age of people I see a
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WordPress continue to grow, but not ton of people coming in with us
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I don't know, I'm looking around. This isa very youthful group
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Well, I'm one of the older here. I admithat. But what are we doing to bring 
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I mean, I tweeted last week. OliviBisset - she's in middle school - had 
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hackathon. I think I tagged you in mtweet. And she herself, with her siste
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put on a huge hackathon of all middlschoolers, but that's unusual. So wha
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are we doing to make sure that the nexgeneration of kids is going to want t
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contribute the way that the people ithis room do
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You stole my answer because I was gointo talk about David and Olivia Bisset
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David Bisset, one of the most prolifitweeters about WordPress, Hi, David
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started to be really active in thWordPress community. I would put tha
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back to everyone in this room aneveryone listening here as well. Yo
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know the old adage, like you teach person to fish or you teach a person 
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you give a person a fish, you feed hifor a day. Teach a person to fish, yo
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feed them for their lifetimes. I thinyou just give a person a blog or, eve
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worse, a social media account, you feehim for a day. You teach them how t
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create the web, which is, in many waysin my opinion, the most amazin
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actualization of shared humanity anknowledge. Like how do we creat
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something that lasts beyond our owindividual lifetimes? It's the web. Ho
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do we create something that lasts beyonus? A legacy, a true legacy? It's addin
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to the information that's part of whahopefully goes forward for futur
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generations. And then becomes - allows uto sort of fast - skip all th
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mistakes, skip all the learnings twhat's latest. It's upgrading the cloc
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speed and version of humanity. So foanyone who's listening, mentoring an
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guiding someone younger than yourselfinto participating in the WordPres
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community is - you get like. What is itA mitzvah? You get like an extr
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special bonus and, sort of like thhistory of open source in the world, i
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you bring someone new into it. So I'highly encourage you - and there's s
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many, if you look at some of the biggescontributors to WordPress over th
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years, a Ryan Boren or a Nacin, etc. parof their legacy, beyond just all the cod
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they wrote, is all the people thebrought in. And the folks who felt lik
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you know, they knew a lot but theweren't able to contribute or something
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And they said, "No, you got it. You cabe a Core committer. You can be someon
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who patches a Core bug. You can bsomeone who translates WordPres
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into an entirely new language, opreserves a language for posterity.
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Like there's so much you can do usinWordPress as the launchpad fo
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contributing something positive thumanity. And so that is, I think, a rea
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key. So I don't know what is perfect fothe young people because I'm not one o
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them anymore. I was when WordPresstarted. But to the extent you have anyon
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in your lives, both here in the audiencor broader to the folks watching thi
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that has that desire to have an impactteach them how to be involved with ope
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source and whether that's WordPress osome other open source project, I thin
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is the best way to contribute to thfuture of humanity. Thank you
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What's that?- More KidsCamps
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More KidsCamps? Yeah, we do have someKidCamps. So very specificall
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we have KidsCamps at placeslike WordCamp - was i
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Orlando? Miami, Miami. Yeah. Which DaviBisset helped organize. Let's all b
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more like David. If you have kids, wharen't they contributing? I wouldn'
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put that on anyone because kids dthe opposite of what you ask them. S
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like, tell them don't contribute tWordPress. And then maybe they will
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- Take your kids to WordPress dayTake your kids to WordPress day actually i
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an awesome idea.- We'll talk later
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Cool. Should we do one from online
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of references to the metaverse in, think, sort of a joking way, bu
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one's on WordPress in virtual reality
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Hey, no, we got one. Wgot one. Here you go. Again, th
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intelligence in this audience is fagreater than what I have so I want t
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push this back as much as possible.- I just wanted to sa
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WordCamp Boston did do that, if noearlier this year - it was last year
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They had a virtual reality WordCamp- Oh, cool
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with content. So don't build on top oWordPress if you're building lik
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a messaging system or real time game osomething like that. But if you'r
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making something that essentiallis people inputting content an
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outputting that to the world, you shoulprobably be building it on WordPress
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Whether it's real estate, records, almosanything. If it's content going in and ou
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that should be on WordPress. Whecompanies - nameless - should talk abou
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this idea of a metaverse, they oftetalk about the interoperability. Thi
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idea that contents or items that yocreate in one metaverse is available i
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all of them. If I imagine my most sci-fthoughts of the future - science fictio
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it's hard for me to imagine that if humanityinteracts more and more in 
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virtual space, that will be controlleby one company. I really think it'l
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look more like the web. Like a placwhere people can register domains. W
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actually had a joke in here, I forgot ttell. So you get it now. What if ther
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were something like a DAO, a distributeautonomous organization, tha
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manage a namespace, which you could pato own a part of, and in fact, there'
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no gas fees for owning part of itThe fees are borne by the merchant
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registrar. So we have things alreadthat any person listening to this ca
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have true ownership of, like a domainThat's their, like, home on the internet
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because of the interoperability, and thopen standards that these things ar
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built on. Patent-free standards as wellwhich I'll emphasize. So to the exten
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that things will be - I don't know exactlwhat it'll look like. Nothing I've see
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so far is that compelling. But to the extenthat there are fun, content-driven thing
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Hi, my name is Bud Kraus. We've never had thpleasure to meet but I've heard yo
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speak at several of these.- Thank you
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And welcome to New York. So allI want to kno
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is this is a brand new space. Sorrfor the people who aren't here, bu
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this is a brand new space. What are yogoing to be doing here? And can we us
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Noho - which means north of Houstonwhich is a New York incorrect way t
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pronounce Houston, which is the citwhere I'm from - neighborhood. And it'
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a cool neighborhood, it's near a lot opublic transit. And it's a cool space. 
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company I'm involved in, CEO oAutomattic, when we purchased th
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company called Tumblr, got this spaceAnd so we have this until 2025. No
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coincidentally, a lot more of the peoplworking on Tumblr and everything we d
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have gone more distributed. So there'not as many people in this particula
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space as there used to be. But we tried tcreate this in a way that, much lik
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tonight, could be a place that people usfor events and other community things
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driven within the community, we're happto open up this space for anything i
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the future. And a cool kind of aside iall the art in the space, includin
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what's behind me, is from people oTumblr. And so these are all publisher
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on Tumblr. So all the art that will bin the space and eventually - right no
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we have this wall covered. We're gointo cover every single wall here. So w
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have many thousands of square feet to covestill. It's all going to be people wh
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publish on WordPress and Tumblr. And ithe future, Tumblr will be powered b
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WordPress, so that'll happen. So it'lall be the same thing. So it's kind o
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cool that it'll all be artists that usopen source publishing to put thei
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content into the Openverse. Alright
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Gutenberg Phase Three, which will bcollaboration. So I'm curious, what ca
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missed that particular point. So thaCollaboration Phase - collaboration
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best analogy. You know how when you'rin a Google Doc, when someon
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they're changing. So imagine every singlthing on WordPress updating in rea
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time, as other people edit it. Sthere's no more version conflicts o
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anything like that. Literally, WordPresrepresents the kind of real-time sourc
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of truth for whatever the content whether it's, again, posts, pages, o
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other in real-time. And then there'both a real-time awareness and workflow
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around editing that. And so the real-timeawareness is kind of the easy par
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conflicts. The workflow is a littltrickier and that's what I'
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Italian. Instead of saying "Leave Comment" on every Italian blog hosted o
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ideally, there would have been workflow or someone else who speak
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Italian would have said, "This says 'HappBirthday.'" How do you even say tha
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in Italian? Does anyone know? I know you sa"Feliz navidad." How do you say lik
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happy birthday and merry Christmas. Whais happy birthday
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- Buon natale? I'm guessin
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Buon natale? Okay, okay. We'll go thereSomeone would have seen that and said
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"That doesn't mean 'Leave a Comment.And we shouldn't put this on th
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homepage of every single ItaliaWordPress in the world." So tha
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workflow, I think, is key to Phase Fouof Gutenberg, which is why it's part o
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Phase Three. So collaboration is the fupart, which will be easy and hard to d
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at the same time, which is that kind oreal time co-editing. And there's som
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cool new standards in browsers thaallow us to do this in a decentralize
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way, which I'm really excited aboutusing essentially features built int
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Chrome and others that allow us to, likconnect multiple people editing 
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page or post at the same time, usinjust a browser and open sourc
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technology. But the more like, approvaletc, is a little bit more of the late
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Phase Three. So 2023, we'll work othat. For now, contribute to Openverse
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block patterns, blocks, and block themesThat is the key for 2022. Again, if 
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get on stage next year, and say there'30 - we've gone to 40 block themes
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Utter failure. Please throw fruit at mor something else. I hope that we hav
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300, or ideally 3000, of these blockenabled themes and that's - both that'
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updating existing themes and creatinnew ones to allow people to express thei
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creativity online through the Gutenbereditor. Again, right now, if you look a
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what social networks do, they try treally narrow you into a very limite
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expression of creativity. Why? Becausthey want to serve ads against you
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profile and what you're creating. Thewant to target you. That's not wha
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we're trying to do with WordPress. So wwant you to create the most unique, coo
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stuff online as possible. And blockenable people to do that. And I'
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looking forward to more and more of itDoes that answer the question
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- Yes, thank youCool, thank you
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I saw someone stand up over here. Was that? Okay
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You have preempted so many of thquestions that were submitted
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Oh!- We're getting you one, though
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Somewhat related to what you were justspeaking to, the question is
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soon we'll have blocks that allow you tdrag everything everywhere. We'll soo
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have a ton of free images, patternsetc. How are we going to make all tha
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easy to understand and use for users
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Yeah, that's our problem. So this iwhat is going to be, I think, the focu
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of Core WordPress iterations ove5.9, 6.0, 6.1, and beyond. I'll say it i
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an abstract sense, which is things likuser tests. And we do run these and w
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publish them on our Make WordPress blogswhich is where we'll ask someon
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who has never used WordPress before"Please try it out." And this is somethin
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proprietary software companies do althe time. But in WordPress, we actuall
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publish these. And so you can see theand you can learn from them. And you ca
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see what someone who's never useWordPress before has trouble with usin
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and not using. Things that might be veryvery intuitive to people in this roo
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because we've been using WordPress fofive or 10 years, might be ver
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challenging to someone entirely new to thconcepts or the abstractions that w
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use. The other example, which I hopeveryone listening to this does - becaus
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if you're listening to this, you're lika WordPress OG - is helping a friend us
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WordPress. Right? I hear a laugh in thfront row. It's like that whole thin
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like, "Friends don't let friends publish oWix." Take someone who'
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building a website, you say, "All rightI'm going to help you set this up." An
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while you're doing that, you're probablgoing to learn a lot of things that ar
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tough in WordPress. And hopefully, thahelps you then contribute a bug or a
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improvement or something into the Corsoftware that makes it easier fo
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everyone else to use. By the way, to the extenWordPress - again, that's what's amazin
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about it to me. When you look at tha10 times larger than the second in th
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marketplace - by the way, Shopify is company valued at like $140 billion. Ho
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did we do that? How do we be 10 timelarger than that? It's just peopl
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helping other people. I can't put itmore simply than that. It's ho
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WordPress has had basically no marketindollars through its whole history. It
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friends telling friends, like, "Hey, yowant a website? Let me help you set i
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up." And then when they have troublecoming back to a cool WordPress Mak
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site or something else and saying, "Heymy friend had trouble with XYZ. Can - 
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think if we move this around or changthis widget or make this button more prominen
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or something like that - that would bmore intuitive for folks." And the beaut
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of a project like WordPress, and there'a few other open source projects whic
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are similar, is we can simultaneouslbecome more intuitive for new users a
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the same time that we become morpowerful for power users. That's no
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easy. I think it can only happen in thdigital realm. Like an SLR camera wit
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like 80 buttons can't also becomsimultaneously easier for peopl
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just taking their first photo. But in thdigital world, we can do that. An
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that's actually really, really excitingSo that's part of what excites me abou
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WordPress, and I hope is a part of whapeople contribute in the future
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Another from the off site questionsLet's see. This is from Sarah Gooding
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What can WordPress do to protect smalpublishers from the threat of big tec
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companies' greed and hostility to thopen web
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Oh, my goodness
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Big tech companies - was ithostility to the open web
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Greed and hostility to the open web
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Greed and hostility. Oh, my goodness,we're dealing with one of th
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seven deadly sins. First, I'll say thathere's some giant tech companies whos
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greed and hostility is somewhat alignewith the open web. Meaning that a Googl
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who is indexing the web, is probably moraligned with the mission of WordPres
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than a Facebook, which is trying tcreate an alternative to the open web o
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other companies. Fill in the blank thereSo that's something to keep in mind. Th
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number one thing I think we can do icreate an alternative. So it's easy t
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forget that someone starting a WordPresmight not want - the thing the
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wake up in the morning and think about inot like, "I want to make more open sourc
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software in the world." They might bthinking, "Hey, I want more customers i
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my restaurant" or "I want more visitorsto my salon" or "I want more readers o
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my novel I'm working on." Like, whateveit might be. And the beauty of WordPres
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is there's so many things you can do otop of it. It's that WordPress is a mean
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to an end. And this is our strength anour weakness. On third-party measurin
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services, like a Quantcast or a Nielseor something like that, lik
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a facebook.com or a google.com shows up aone domain. And WordPress is, in man
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ways, like the dark matter of the wein that it's the thing that comprise
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the majority of the universe, budoesn't show up on one domain b
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definition. It's across millions, tens hundreds of millions of differen
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domains and represents each person othe domain owning a piece of the web
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It belongs to them. Literally domainsI'm not - I'm going to pitch domain
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here. Domains are like the most Web3
thing you could create. It reall
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belongs to you far more than almosanything else. So I think what we can d
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is - well, I'll tell you the biggesthing I've learned, which goes a littl
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back to your question on what is thing to talk about to the youth o
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people that create things. Early on, was like a Slashdot reading zealot
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Meaning like, I was like, "Ah, Microsofand Bill Gates are evil." I had a ver
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like, black and white view of the worlwhere I saw open source as good an
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anything proprietary as bad. And it wabinary. As you mature, you learn tha
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things are not binary. It's grayscaleIt's duotone. And there's things tha
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are both simultaneously good and badand things that exist on th
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spectrum. And over time, I've chosen tdevote more of my life to things that 
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feel like are on the side of thspectrum that I want future generations 
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if I ever have children or grandchildren them to experience of the web. But tha
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the - everything exists on the spectrum. would say that for - pure philosophy doe
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not win. Meaning that for folks, mayblike here in the room, or some of th
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folks watching the livestream, the idea oowning your content, owning the softwar
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that powers it and everything like thatis very compelling. That's probabl
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compelling for like 1 or 2% of humanityWe're at the very end of the bell curv
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of folks who care about thosthings. For the rest, if we want 
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majority of the web - hopefully, I hope majority, or even like 85 or 90% of th
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web to be powered by open source. For themwe need to create the best user experience
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Meaning it needs to be the easiest. It needsto be the most intuitive. And it needs to b
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the thing that gets them towardtheir goals the fastest. For man
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people, that means WordPress will binvisible. And that's okay. We don'
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need people to even know what WordPresis. If they're using WordPress, ope
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source, open API, open data, everythinto get to where they're going, that i
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infinitely better than using proprietarsoftware to get from A to B. So we nee
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to create as many use cases, as many 
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work on usability as much as possible tcreate that. So that is my learning. An
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something I hope we can all work togethergreat, because even if someon
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doesn't realize that using open sourcand making the web more open. If b
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creating their website, creating theirestaurant, creating their online servic
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selling something online, they are doinso in a way that makes the web even jus
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a smidgen more open. That's cool. That'good for humanity. That's the part 
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want future generations to grow up in.Thank you
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Okay, we got two minutes
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- No, no. Two questionsTwo questions! Okay
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Well, how I talk, that could take 20
minutes
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- Okay, we're down to 20 minutes, so I'mgiving you five for each
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Okay, five minutes per for each question,apparently. So
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Hi Matt, my name is Aaron Jorbin. probably came the shortest distanc
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because I live, like, three blocks awayA couple of times, tonight, you'v
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talked about the GPL, the importance othe GPL, the importance of the Fou
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Freedoms of the GPL. Over the last yearthere's been an effort to dual licens
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the Gutenberg repository, and thus allopeople to use the WordPress code in way
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that would not confer those foufreedoms on to future users o
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WordPress. I'm wondering how that lines uwith your ideas of the four freedoms an
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why I, as a contributor to WordPressshould support my code being re-license
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to remove the four freedoms from futurusers
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That's such a good question. So thanyou, Aaron, for asking that. And also
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thank you for being someone else whmakes me not the only person in the roo
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with a suit. And Aaron looks great. Sthank you very much for that. Hopefully
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we get that on camera. So this iinteresting. So the GPL was created i
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the 80s and 90s, and had no concept ofessentially, delivery over the web. S
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the GPL says that if you share somethingdistribute it, which was - historicall
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means, distributed the source code ovelike floppy disk, or CDs, or things lik
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that, you must confer the same freedomsBut it didn't count if you were jus
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running your website, which is good anbad. It's good in that, like, you
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password file on your WordPress site inot GPL. Right? You don't need to shar
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that to the world. There are licenselike the Affero GPL and others that sa
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like you need to share everything, but ialso creates a loophole. So technically
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like WordPress.com doesn't need to sharany of its code back to the world. I
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does. Those folks work really hard oputting improvements back int
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WordPress, but they're not required to becausdelivery and distribution through Saa
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services does not confer the distributionin which the GPL was intended
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In practice, we do it but in letter oflaw, it's not required. Mobile app
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are whole new worlds. And again, theris the ideal thing and there's th
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pragmatic thing. Practical - ideally, would love to use a mobile device whic
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had firmer hardware, and everythininvolved with it was fully open source
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Pragmatically, I need to use an Androior iOS device, probably from Apple o
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Samsung, that works. That has goobattery life and everything like that
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So I've always thought of myself as pragmatic, open source evangelist
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Gutenberg. Now how do we bring this tGutenberg? So, Gutenberg is trying t
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create a pan-CMS or pan-creatiostandard for things like blocks. W
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think, or I think, that in Gutenbergif we can create a standard interface fo
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things like adding an image or thbasic things that you do within a bloc
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interface, that is good for the web anhumanity. So part of that is that 
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would really like to see eveproprietary systems adopt Gutenber
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blocks. I think that would be a win. Yoknow, I've made fun of some systems lik
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Wix and Squarespace or Mailchimp oothers. I think they - I would lov
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I would be thrilled if they all useGutenberg. And Gutenberg is license
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under a way that, if you use it, yodon't have to make the rest of you
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software also open source. So the wathe GPL is, is it's what's called 
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"viral license." So if you use part of iteverything else that links it also ha
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to be open source. Which I like foWordPress. I like for everything I do
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But I also recognize that maybe, ilet's say, a mobile app, I might want t
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have an open source-based editor thauses the standards and code o
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Gutenberg, but the rest of the app mighnot be open source. Maybe it's th
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Mailchimp app. Let's use Mailchimp as aexample. I don't have any relation t
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Mailchimp. So I can talk about thatMailchimp's awesome, very successful, jus
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sold to Intuit for like $10 billion owhatever. If you look at what they'r
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doing with their newsletter creatorit's blocks. If you look at what they'r
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doing and like - and they don't actuallhave a great mobile app yet, so it'd b
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cool. So when we took our mobile apps which means developing Gutenberg thre
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times. We have to develop for the webiOS, and Android, which is a lot o
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work. We are re-licensing the mobilversions of Gutenberg as MIT, whic
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means that they can be embedded imobile apps, which are not also ope
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source. This gets into another weirthing, which is all mobile apps ar
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mediated by app stores. I don't lovthat, for the record. But it's th
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reality. You're either going througGoogle or Apple to distribute on an ap
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store to the majority of humans in thworld
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And you have to - when you distribute youapp, you kind of have to - you don't kind of
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you have to agree to their terms oservices and licenses, which are sort o
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compatible with open source. ActuallyWordPress has been a pioneer there
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Apple originally did not allow GPapplications to be distributed on th
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Apple Store. And WordPress fought fothat. And we won it, essentially. And, i
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fact, Apple has used WordPress code idemos. So we kind of got the unofficia
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blessing that like, our GPL app was okato be on the Apple store. But like
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that's still a process, which we fighand we go for. Most famously - was i
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last year that it happened
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Either last year or earlier this year,it all blends together
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It all blends together. I don't know.Post-COVID, everything's a real mix
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But that Apple issued an incredibly rare apologywhich Apple never does, where they ha
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sort of told the WordPress open sourcapp they needed to do something tha
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seemed a little outside of threquirements and the license. And they 
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someone higher up realized that anwalked it back. So not often tha
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happens with a $2 trillion company. Buit happened with WordPress and Apple
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And that was exciting. So we wilcontinue fighting wherever we can fo
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getting these app stores to open up little bit. We will also be pragmatic i
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that in reality, everyone who has aApple or iOS device means you go to th
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app stores to reach them. And I thinit's actually a flaw of - if we think of wh
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Drupal or Joomla hasn't done as well, think they need apps. And I'v
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encouraged those communities to creategreat apps because they need them
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Why we're expanding the license of Gutenbergin particular, to be both GPL and MI
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is that I would like WordPress blocks - oGutenberg blocks to become standard
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that are larger than just WordPress. Anthere is a Drupal version of Gutenber
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etc. But I think part of that is that iblocks can become standards across ever
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proprietary system. I make fun of Wix - think it's fair, they've earned it. Bu
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if they adopted Gutenberg, I would toastthem and take them out to beers
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I think that'd be awesome. Gutenberg isomething even bigger than WordPress
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which is basically saying how do we ediand create the web? And can we get a
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many people - both proprietary and opesource - collaborating on that as possible
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So that is the bet we've made. Maybe it'correct, maybe it's incorrect. I hop
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that you, as a contributor, still arexcited about being part of Gutenberg
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even though it's Gutenberg and MITwhich are both open source licenses. Bu
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MIT, of course, allows proprietarlicensing. I understand that. Th
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majority of open source software in thworld is, well, I think majority is GPL
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But there's a big chunk that's non-GPLI think, what we're doing - folks in thi
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room, you and I - are creating more thaopen source stuff. And if proprietary peopl
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use it along the way to creating more opesource, I think that's great and okay
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Thank you- And thank you for wearing a suit
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And thank you for coming tonight
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Someone asked me earlier why I wear suit. And it's actually - one of m
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favorite folks is Frank Sinatra. And htalked about - someone asked why the
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wore a tux every night to perform. Anhe said to the other band members, h
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said, "Well, if we were performing fothe king or queen, what would we wear
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We'd dress up. We'd wear a tux to perforfor them." And he said, "Well, ever
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single night that this band performsthere might be someone in the audienc
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who saved up two months to be there, oa waitress or someone like that, wh
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really worked to be there. And so, gueswhat? We're gonna dress up for them an
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perform for them like they are the King oQueen of England." Royalty. Every perso
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in the audience is royalty. So that'why I wear a suit every year. If you'r
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wondering. This is like the only suit I weaduring the year, but I wear it because 
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consider every member of the WordPrescommunity to be royalty. And I dress up fo
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y'all. So thank you
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Alright, this is the last question.I'm so excited
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Bring us home
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I think it's a short question. Hopefullit wasn't already asked
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Can you introduce yourself
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Hi, I'm Rachel Winchester. Most peoplknow me as Win. I'm here for representin
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DigitalCube. And I'm just curious ithe topic of internet art has made it o
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your radar. And if it's something ointerest to you
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Tell me more about internet art.How do you define it
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Well, internet art is browser art or web-baseart. But it's art that uses the Interne
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as a medium. So it works with WordPressbecause WordPress is that paintbrush
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Hmm
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I will also call out that you have an amazingIssey Miyake purse, who's one of m
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favorite designers of all time. Thanyou for bringing that to the microphon
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as well. What do you think about thOpenverse and internet art? Like this ide
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that people could maybe even contributinternet art to the Openverse
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Oh, I love the idea of making publicly accessiblimages more accessible
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I love that idea
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That this is - it's an interestintension, right? Because artists creat
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things, and they want to earn a livinfrom the things they create. And peopl
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create things and want to contribute ito the commons of humanity. That become
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part of what we remix, part of what wbuild on, part of the foundation of wha
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creates the next generations, nexversions of what happens. And i
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copyright law, which I would say ipopularly epitomized - since in Unite
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States copyright law, you have aability to do that. You know, rest i
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peace for Joe Ablow. Like, would talabout his 3% rule where he would take a
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existing thing, modify 3%, and creatsomething new. Incredible, right? One o
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the great artists of our generations, iso many ways, that affected popula
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culture, that affected art, that affected smany things through that taking somethin
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that exists and modifying it. So I don'tknow. I think that's the epitom
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of open source. I would say thaWordPress' limitation is, before, tha
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was basically all in the code anlanguage realm. It was all about th
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plugins, the themes - a little bit odesign, and the translations that wer
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open source. If you had to define what'next for us, it's expanding through th
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Openverse, through things that armore content-driven: images, video
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audio, art. I'm a photographer. Musername is Photomatt. So I conside
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photographs to be art and I hope to pumore and more of the art I create an
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hopefully others into that commons, sthat is the basis for what generation
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create in the future. So, thank you smuch. I appreciate the question
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And with that, I think we might be I mean, Josepha's coming up
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I've got two notes for everyone,because I would, naturally
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Number one, there were a lot of question
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that were asked beforehand andalso in the livestream chat that w
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did not get to. But just like last yearwe will have a blog post up where we ca
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get those answered for you all. Don'worry. And my final, final thing, let'
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have a round of applause for the folkwho put this event together and for ou
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excellent slide makers